....As for installing a space heater in the basement, that can be dangerous. Just turn on the Hurricane and set the living room thermostat to 50 degrees so the Hurricane will not run unless the basement gets to cold and then the heater in the basement will turn on the diesel burner to keep the basement plumbing from freezing.
Gerald,
Just to be clear, I'm not encouraging use of space heaters for routine heating. I think most of them are inherently dangerous. My concern in this discussion is having a short term backup to a furnace failure in freezing temperatures.
On separate occasions I've had a failures from a bearing, loose wires, coolant level indicator, a stir pump, the heating element, and the Webasto control box. All failures have occurred in above freezing temperatures so it has only been inconvenient.
Odds are I will have another failure and I'm ready if it is cold enough to cause damage to me, my DW, her dog or the coach.
Bill, Good work. It appears our 2000 Beaver Marquis has all the 120v outlets on leg 1 !!! I have been using 3 small ceramic space heaters on the low setting to keep warm here in Las Cruces.NM. In the basement there are 2 more 120v outlets. Would it be possible to reconnect the outlets so they are evenly spread between leg 1 and leg 2 ?? I have a beer cooler running in the basement, which seems to keep everything warm enough. We have not had a freezing problem yet, with temps down to 20 deg F at night, but it would be better to run a heater down there. Jeremy
This will probably be kind of “long winded”. But, it is cold outside and I have nothing to do besides type while I watch the sunrise on Fidalgo Bay near the San Juan Islands. It is 30 degrees outside. Mt Baker is clearly visible and there are a few pink clouds in the sky.
There are too many RVs that burn up. One of the many causes is circuits overloaded with too many space heaters.
I am a fan of using electricity when it is cheaper than diesel to heat with. Sometimes it is even free with your site hookups. I almost always have a baseboard style heater plugged in and always on low in the front. But, I am not a fan of multiple space heaters. This is especially true in a Beaver. It seems the sometimes evil engineers at Beaver thought it was a good idea to put a dozen or more outlets on single circuit like Gerald describes above. It is perfect for extra light fixtures, laptops, cell phone chargers, an alarm clock and the occasional use of a hair dryer. It is tempting, not well suited for heating our motorhomes.
As you probably know, most space heaters draw about 900 watts or 8 amps on low and 1500 watts or 13 amps on high. When all three of yours cycle on at the same time you’ll draw about 24 amps on your 20 amp circuit breaker! With your beer cooler factored in it could be worse. If the breaker doesn’t trip you can still be causing hot spots at any slightly loose connection or wire nut on that long Beaver outlet circuit. I don’t know about everyone else, but I’ve found several connections that were either tightened by limp wristed Beaver workers Bend or shaken loose by California pot holes!
Short term, I would suggest you consider getting at least one of your heaters plugged in to the washer/dryer outlet (if you can reach it). It has its own circuit breaker. Another choice is the microwave outlet. The microwave outlet is still on the inverter circuit but is not on the Big Beaver dozen outlet circuit.
There is one more independent circuit that may be convenient, depending on your coach. Most of us have block heaters that rarely get used. Somewhere back in the engine compartment is an outlet where the block heater plugs in. You might find a relatively easy way to re-route that circuit into the bedroom. I think I could do it in about an hour on our rig, but in reality it might take two days.
Another unusual solution is to go straight to the shore power pole with an extension cord. I like 12 gauge cords, but I think the typical 14 gauge is OK if you leave the heater on low. You can run the cord through a window.
I have a “trailer trash” fulltiming friend that cut a hole in the wall of his 30 amp trailer. On the inside he put a nice looking standard household outlet. On the outside, behind a typical RV plastic access door is a “pigtail” with male plug. He runs an extension cord from the pigtail to the shore power post. He has a permanently plugged in oil filled radiator style space heater on the inside. He likes to say he has “45 amp hookups”.
Happy New Year to you and yours Bill! I have a question for you. Our Beaver came from the factory with the space heaters option, one in the Kitchen area and one in the bathroom. Are these on a separate circuit? We rarely use the one in the kichen but regularly use the bathroom one. These are built in electric baseboard heaters. Never had a problem with them tripping out but just was not sure how they are wired.
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Wish I could say I was laughing at the time. Raylene had to pry my hands loose from the wheel. We decided to quit for the day and several drinks later i'm calming down.
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Wadayaknow. I figured out how to capture a still off my video. Unfortunately, I didn't take video of the RV Park in Rawlins, but here's a couple just after the blizzard caught up with us, stuck on I-80. We were stopped on this spot for about 5 hours.
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Note the pronghorns running west on the north side of the freeway, apparently escaping the commotion at the wreck site ahead of us. Hard to see through the blizzard.
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....Our Beaver came from the factory with the space heaters option, one in the Kitchen area and one in the bathroom. Are these on a separate circuit? .....
I wish I had those!
I would assume they are on a separate circuit. If not, they would bring your batteries to dead very quickly when dry camping. Take a look at the breaker box.
Ok, We head out of Seattle to enjoy the warmth of AZ, a great idea!
Then we get a white dusting in PDX then squeak through the Siskiyou with no chains , Yeah!.
Luck holds we miss the flood in Bakersfield.
Its 28 in Las Vegas for New years the fountains freeze and we bundle up for the celebration. Pulling out of Vegas we head to Happy Trails today thinking its gotta get better, OK here is a photo 40 miles East of Kingman. I am thinking we have a weather magnet on the tail of our rig.
I know it's winter but I am not sure how far south we need to go?? Good news the rig is nice and warm
Happy New Years
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I have a 2009 43 ft. Beaver Monterey . It has a 10 Kw.( 9 Kw. Continuous ) generator and 50 amp power. Seems plentiful but think again. These beasts were not designed with cold in mind. I want to ski for weeks at a time with my RV. Genie has twin 4.5 kw, breakers that can deliver 37 amps per side(think more like 32 amps to be on the safe side).Shore power can deliver 50 amps per side ( think 40 amps per side with a safety margin ) All good is seems but all outlets congregate on the inverter 20 amps breakers which are controlled by one 30 amp breaker. So instead of the 74 or 80 amps, you only have 30 total. What a waste of generator time and power. The answer is obviously to add a subpanel with its own breakers or easier done add outlets to existing ones. (not the inverter ones but the extra ones with only one item on them ). In my coach, I added outlets to the central vac, the front and middle air on line 1 and the block heater, the washer/drier, and the back air on line 2. That gives me 2 or 3 space heaters on each legs that I can use in all security when needed. The obvious caveat is that I have to manage other power items carefully, turn the heaters off if I want to run the water heater or battery charger etc… so I don’t trip the 4.5 Kw. breakers. Also I cannot run the heater and its paired item on the same breaker at the same time. For example I do not run the block heater and a space heater on it’s paired outlet and overload the sub 20 amp breaker. Her is atypical run : start the genie and add 2 space heaters on high and the water heater on line 1 for a total of 35 amps and 1 space heater, the fridge , the tv and the battery charger on high on line 2 for a total of 33 amps. 1 hour later you can use 2 more space heaters as the hot water is hot and the battery charger goes on float. I can also regulate my charger draw rate with the E.M.S. If you are on shore power, you can do even better. Airs are not a conflict as the heat pumps are useless under 40 degrees and will not be used, so might as well use their breakers for double duty for space heaters.. I will use my 2 furnaces to keep things going between generator runs. I also brought a baffled air duct from the furnace to the water bay to keep things toasty down there. It was easy to knock out an outlet plate on the manifold under the washer/dryer and run a short duct through the floor. With full tanks of diesel and propane, I am ready for winter. Hope this was clear enough as it can become a complicated subject in a hurry!!