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JimDyer
January 19, 2012, 2:25am Report to Moderator
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One of my electric drape drives has failed, and on investigation it appears that some of the plastic gears inside have disintegrated. After talking to the maker, the Right Track, Inc., it appears that the 12-1/4" long roller will cost about $600 if I use them, and they aren't really interested.....

I can replace the motor, but it is the gearbox which is gone......has anybody replaced theirs?  I am thinking of going to a drapery store to see if they can sell me a 12v roller.  


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January 19, 2012, 3:09am Report to Moderator
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Try dirtyblindman.com he has parts for almost any system.

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dirtyblindman only does manual blinds.....can't find a source, any ideas?


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Richard And Babs Ames
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Can the gear box be taken apart and the gears replaced? A machine shop?


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they'd. Be about 3/16 inch diameter.....can't see a machine shop working out. I'll have to try Alibaba.


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Had mine go south on me around 3+ years ago on my 2000 Patriot. Found the manufacturer, AM-Source in Wauconda, IL. Spoke with Sue Malek at 847-526-1515 or sue@am-source.com and $300 rings a bell. It was however 3 or 4 years ago!! Good luck.


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FYI. just found my e-mail to her dated 1/16/09 Hope they're still there!!

Keep saying I should clean up old e-mails, but then I don't  


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This might be an option.

http://www.mcdinnovations.com/.....d=231&Itemid=150




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Just for the record, AM-source appear to have closed up, and The Right Track are on the wrong track, and unable to help. MCD may be able to help, I'll let you'all know.


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Richard And Babs Ames
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Just a thought Beaver Coach Sales and Alliance  or one of the  RV remodeling companies may have some imput or parts that may work. Electric blinds are common and you may find them able to help. I would not rule out any where that does custom work even the chain stores like Home Depot or Lowes.


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I am thinking of getting rid of the curtains and going with custom pulldown shades. I would imagine there is a day/nite shade material  that will be perfect for this. Anyone else done this and where did you purchase?


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We refitted our entire 5th Wheel with day/night shades from Camping World.  They come in a wide selection of colors and fabrics and we were very pleased with the results


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Thank you John and Linda. I will definitely check them out.
I have seen upgrade from front drape to shade pictures from other owners. They look a lot tidier not to mention the added benefit of being able to pull the shade down to block sun while driving. Just was not sure of the privacy at night factor.
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Barb,

The new thing seems to be the shades from MCDInnovations. They use a fabric similar to the screen fabric people have on their outside sunscrens, only thinner.  Normally they come in two layers, typically a caramel beige for the sunscreen and black for the privacy layer. You can get them in either powered or manual.

If you decide to go with a replacement consider selling the old ones here, even if only for spare parts........


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Barb,

The new thing seems to be the shades from MCDInnovations. They use a fabric similar to the screen fabric people have on their outside sunscrens, only thinner.  Normally they come in two layers, typically a caramel beige for the sunscreen and black for the privacy layer. You can get them in either powered or manual.


I've noticed a number of people using these instead of buying sun shades for outside the window.  This may seem like a good idea but, from a physics perspective, it is totally wrong.  If sunlight goes through the windshield and then is absorbed by the shade material it becomes infrared radiation (heat) which cannot go back through the glass.  Therefore, the heat energy will build up in the space between the shade and the glass creating a large heat load on the interior of the MH.  It is far better to block the sunlight outside, before it goes through the glass.  That way it avoids bringing the heat energy inside.


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Joel,

I borrowed this input from another forum because I thought it was good info and relavent regarding MCD shades. We put a single powered one in our front windshield and it is a compromise but maybe not as much as one would think. When it is vey sunny and hot we will lower it some and slip a bubble foil faced traditional windshield shade in front of the MCD for reflection and some insulation and lower the shade the rest of the way. That seems to help quite a bit. We are happy with this compromise for the convenience, privacy, and the heat reduction that we do get. Here is the post...

I would like to add some comments regarding the exterior and interior covers. A couple of months ago I purchased a full set of MCD Duo's for the coach along with the wheel covers. They are a nice addition, well made, look good, easy to operate and expensive. I also spent almost 2 weeks at MCD parked directly facing the Southern sun in 110 degree + weather and as I was bored to death most of the time so decided to take heat measurements to test each of these setups during the day.

My wife hated the pleated shades which most folks don't like and wanted the upgrade because of looks and reduction in heat intrusion into the occupied space. I have over 25 years in the A/C trades so I knew a bit about the subject and tried to explain that there are 3 forms of heat. Radiant, conductive and convection and the interior shades would do nothing more than reduce the radiant heat waves. The interior shades will actually heat up from convection (hot air currents circulating between the hot windshield and the shade itself) and will give this heat off to the interior of the coach. This was proved by taking temperature readings as there was a reduction in heat but not great.

While waiting for our shades to be made I asked MCD to loan us an exterior shade which we installed across the windshield. The temperature on the inside of the glass was approximately 10 degrees warmer than the room temperature within apprximately 1 foot from the windshield. As the temperature drift was up to almost 90 degrees by late afternoon it placed the temp in the cockpit area over 100 degree. The glass was hot enough to fry an egg on, the reason for this is conductive heat from the exterior screen itself. The screen lays directly on top of the glass and transfers this heat to the glass. Without an air space betweenthe two the heat has no place to go but to the glass and into the coach. The radiant heat though does not make it through the screen for the most part.

As far as which is better for heat reduction, I would say they are a toss up, they both reduce radiant heat, one conducts heat through conduction (exterior) and the other conducts heat through convection (interior.) Of course the MCD's are nicer.

I linked a couple of pictures of an Airstream TT and I took notice of the shades on it manufactured by Airstream. You will notice that there is an airgap between the shade and the front window. THIS WILL DO THE BEST JOB. If someone can figure out an easy way to keep the exterior shade off the window (so there is an air gap) they would then have the best heat reduction method of all.

Hope this helps.

Later Ed


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Ed--

You make an excellent point that I had not considered.  It doesn't seem all that complicated to provide a spacer for an external sunshade. The thickness of the spacer doesn't have to be all that large, since the gap should create a convective air flow what will carry most of the heat away.  A few plexiglass strips roughly the same height as the windshield slipped under the shade might be all that is needed.

Your suggestion of an aluminized insulator between the MCD and the windshield is an idea I have considered; it just means having another thing to fold and store during the day.

At the moment our pleated curtains work fine and I guess we don't dislike them as much as some folks.  We've even made new curtains (with blackout liners) for the bedroom windows since my DW didn't like any of the shades that were available (RV or residential).  With the heavily tinted windows in the coach, we felt there was no reason to have the light filtering aspects of most shades.  We figured the curtains would either be closed for sleeping and privacy and open the rest of the day.  So far that has worked fine.

While on the subject of window treatments, if anyone has considered replacing the fabric on the window " surrounds, it is not that difficult to do.  We happen to have a pneumatic stapler which helps, but putting new fabric on the frames took far less time than removing the old stuff.  We've now redone all the cornices themselves and several of the surrounds.  Replacing the tired, dull grey-green fabric some with a bit more "pizzazz" really dresses the place up.  

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